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Jul. 31st, 2012 08:30 am
alt_sirius: (achy)
[personal profile] alt_sirius
Frank, tell Neville and Evelyn to be a bit ginger with Allie this morning. She's okay but probably a little, er, slow-moving.

She's on her way back; I made her stay at Grimmauld for fear she'd splinch if she tried returning last night.

We talked, most of the night. Well, I let her talk. Seems like she needed a good crying out.

So I'm just reading through everyone's conversations now but it's rather remarkable how Alice and I covered most of the angles people have discussed.

Except the one about letting Hermione and Terry tell their friends a couple of choice pieces of information. (And I agree with Dora, Moony: You're brilliant.)

But I've been thinking about it, off and on, ever since they all started asking questions and the letters came from more than one or two people and so on. Eventually this lot are likely to all ask for induction into the Order.

And I agree with Poppy that we can't allow them to continue forcing our hands.

In all honesty, I'm more concerned with what happens if they don't come to us about joining. Fred, George, you said before that you didn't think everyone on your lock would be good to add to the Order and not just because of their ages. The thing is, unless we're sure of their intentions, it's an unconscionable risk even to confirm their suspicions about the links they've already made.

However, all that having been said, trust has to start somewhere. I think we might let Hermione and Terry tell them the facts in Moony's proposal but also tell them that we have a message: Good show, you're all very clever, keep sticking together and helping each other, yes, we'll consider new recruits but no, not until you're of age.

That might stave off the uncomfortable conversations for a while, at least.


I also think it's high time we found something to do that would actually move things along a bit. I know we're making progress but it's a bit too slow and incremental for me. At our current rate of smuggling it's going to be another ten years before we have enough of them distributed.

Date: 2012-07-31 01:42 pm (UTC)
alt_pomona: (home in the greenhouses)
From: [personal profile] alt_pomona
Remus did have quite the idea, and I think it is the best way forward. But I also agree with you, Sirius, that a clear limit until they're of age may be the most practical. (Are any of us up for this conversation again at irregular intervals? I don't believe so.)

The only thing we might wish to add to it is - well, should there be a crisis, I know Arthur and Molly have spoken to their children about warnings to heed. Could we perhaps come up with some passphrase or other indicator, should the worst happen? We know they suspect Poppy's associations, but not, so far as anyone's mentioned, mine. Having a way to indicate trustworthyness quickly in a crisis might be essential one day.

(And perhaps sooner than later: we still have no idea who we're likely to have join us as Dark Arts professor, after all. Unless Minerva's heard something more recently. Or what else might change.)

Date: 2012-07-31 02:04 pm (UTC)
alt_poppy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alt_poppy
Quite agree with you about establishing a secret code to confirm friend not foe.

Afraid I've got no leisure for conversation today, though. Second day at Moray Firth. Awful weather up here, making the seas roil. And my stomach.

Date: 2012-07-31 04:33 pm (UTC)
alt_lupin: (intent)
From: [personal profile] alt_lupin
A pass-phrase is an excellent idea. Hermione, Terry, do you have any suggestions? It needs to be something brief, something not revealing of further secrets, but not so obvious that someone might stumble across it ('Grim Truth' is too obvious, as is 'I'm with Sirius Black.' And it can't be 'I'm with the Wand Smugglers,' as then they'd realise that we're on to some of THEIR secrets, which is hardly a way to engender trust.)

Date: 2012-07-31 03:53 pm (UTC)
alt_gredforge: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alt_gredforge
It'll stave off uncomfortable questions for you, maybe. But it might raise some uncomfortable questions for us. If they learn that you're open to recruits when junior auxiliary kids come of age, it might dawn on 'em to wonder whether we've been recruited already. Especially since they suspect mum's involved.

Don't worry, though, we'll lie if we have to.

Date: 2012-07-31 04:29 pm (UTC)
alt_lupin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alt_lupin
This is a good point. Would the two of you prefer that we not open that particular door?

Re: Private Message to Moony

Date: 2012-07-31 07:17 pm (UTC)
alt_lupin: (me again)
From: [personal profile] alt_lupin
I'd leave out the 'clever,' it sounds even more like we're stodgy grown-ups.

It probably wouldn't hurt to let them know we're watching out for them, though.

Re: Private Message to Moony

Date: 2012-07-31 07:31 pm (UTC)
alt_lupin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alt_lupin
Prongs or Wormtail sounds a bit safer.

I know the Twins had our map. Have any of the others seen it.

Date: 2012-07-31 06:18 pm (UTC)
alt_gredforge: (Pleased)
From: [personal profile] alt_gredforge
No, we don't think so. We were warned when we joined that we might need to lie to our friends. We might need practice at lying convincingly. Why not practice on our friends? And Sirius is right, it would keep the pressure off you.

Mum might even consider it fitting revenge for the trick we pulled on her to join.

Date: 2012-07-31 06:23 pm (UTC)
alt_molly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alt_molly
She might!

Although seriously, boys, I've found that when it comes to Order business, the more you can avoid lying in the first place, the better.

Date: 2012-07-31 06:42 pm (UTC)
alt_lupin: (me again)
From: [personal profile] alt_lupin
I don't know as they'll assume you're already members so much as eagerly pass word to let you know that you and Lee could demand to be let in. They'll then ASSUME you're members and if you deny it, they'll wonder what in Merlin's name is wrong with you.

So perhaps you might mull over how you'll deal with THAT dilemma.

It might be better to suggest that they can join once they've completed their NEWTs. Then issue the invitations as appropriate when they come of age.

Date: 2012-07-31 08:10 pm (UTC)
alt_gredforge: (Pleased)
From: [personal profile] alt_gredforge
Ha. True.

Saying they have to pass NEWTs will delay the question for most people, too.

Better make it that they can petition to join, not that they can join. Don't promise 'em something you might not be willing to grant.

Date: 2012-07-31 11:15 pm (UTC)
alt_gredforge: (Pleased)
From: [personal profile] alt_gredforge
Oh, and also: does that mean you're gonna delay on adding Lee then? He turns 17 next week and you voted to add him when he became of sge. Will he have to wait until he passes his NEWTs?

We suppose you could tell them they have to wait until they pass NEWTs, but really you could approach them when they turn 17.

Date: 2012-07-31 11:41 pm (UTC)
alt_lupin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] alt_lupin
I'm thinking more that we'd tell them they had to wait until after NEWTs, mostly to give the three of you some breathing space.

Private Message to Sirius

Date: 2012-07-31 09:43 pm (UTC)
alt_alice: (lookingupangelic)
From: [personal profile] alt_alice
Thank you, love.

I don't know how I would've faced today without a little steadying first.

You are quite wonderful for letting me talk your ear off like that. Well, you're quite wonderful, full stop.

And I'm not just saying that because you're generous with your stash.

I've got all sorts of things to work through with what we've been doing on our end in terms of wand production, and Frank's got an idea or three about making our own inroads to the camps that need to be put down on paper, but my head and heart aren't quite in it right now. Give us a few more days before we're useful again and can poke at it properly, because it really is important to sort out, you're right.

Re: Private Message to Sirius

Date: 2012-08-01 02:47 am (UTC)
alt_alice: (lookingupangelic)
From: [personal profile] alt_alice
Yes. Well.

That was a rather bitter potion to swallow. But it's done now, and we'll manage.

And one of the best ways I can think to manage is to plan for the future rather than dwelling on what can't be changed. So there's that.

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